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Just to advise people there has been a slight change of plan for my submissions. I will be doing a top 50 countdown starting tomorrow with two submissions every day. Obviously, only the top 25 will count towards my vote, but it gives a greater coverage of this decade overall. I will probably repeat the practice each decade after.
So, tomorrow, no’s 50 and 49…
BTW, the last two days submissions, The Maltese Falcon and The Big Sleep, ranked 51 and 54 respectively in the list.
Well, here we go folks. I will start the ball rolling with my own Top 25 list and my extensive “runners up supplement.”
Tony, I must say that I followed the specs of your original proposal, ans as a result longtime personal favorites like most of the Lewton films, MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET, THE PRIDE OF THE YANKEES, THE RED SHOES, THE OX-BOW INCIDENT, ARSENIC AN DOLD LACE, LAURA, Ozu’s A HEN IN THE WIND, Melville’s LES ENFANTS TERRIBLE, Vincente Minnelli’s MEET ME IN ST. LOUIS, and Chaplin’s MONSIEUR VERDOUX, all of which I love were named on the runners-up list. If I had not specifically thought in your terms, I may have included a few of these. But alas, you are right. The final list is far more valid. Still I admit I love all of my final choices deeply.
The one major “overlap” choice that literally defies criticism of course is Frank Capra’s IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE, which is not only many people’s favorite film, but is also one of the strongest of all American films.
The 25 Greatest Films of the 40’s:
1. Late Spring (Ozu, Japan)
2. Day of Wrath (C. T. Dreyer, Denmark)
3. Citizen Kane (Welles, USA)
4. The Grapes of Wrath (Ford, USA)
5. The Bicycle Thief (De Sica, Italy)
6. The Third Man (Reed, GB)
7. Letter From An Unknown Woman (Ophuls, USA)
8. Kind Hearts and Coronets (Hamer, GB)
9. Les Enfants du Paradis (Carne, France)
10. Casablanca (Curtiz, USA)
11. It’s A Wonderful Life (Capra, USA)
12. La Belle et la Bete (Cocteau, France)
13. Great Expectations (Lean, GB)
14. Double Indemnity (Wilder, USA)
15. Brief Encounter (Lean, GB)
16. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston, 1949)
17. The Shop Around the Corner (Lubitsch, USA)
18. The Maltese Falcon (Huston, USA)
19. The Magnificent Ambersons (Welles, USA)
20. Rebecca (Hitchcock, USA)
21. Henry V (Olivier, GB)
22. Sciuscia (De Sica, Italy)
23. How Green Was My Valley (Ford, USA)
24. Black Narcissus (Powell and Pressburger, GB)
25. La Silence de la Mer (Mellville, France)
My runner up choices will be submitted on a second post on this thread later today.
Here are my runners-up. These are all great films, but failed to make the Top 25:
Pinocchio (USA)
Fantasia (USA)
King’s Row (USA)
Ivan The Terrible I and II (Russia)
To Be or Not To Be (USA)
Oilver Twist (GB)
The Red Shoes (GB)
A Matter of Life and Death (GB)
Meshes of the Afternoon (USA)
The Ox-Bow Incident (USA)
Red River (USA)
A Canterburg Tale (GB)
Sullivan’s Travels (USA)
Laura (USA)
I Walked With A Zombie (USA)
The Body Snatcher (USA)
The Seventh Victim (USA)
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (GB)
Notorious (USA)
Shadow of a Doubt (USA)
Brighton Rock (GB)
Thunder Rock (GB)
Stray Dog (Japan)
This is Britain (GB)
Louisiana Story (USA)
Une Si Jolie Petit Plage (France)
Hamlet (GB)
Spring in a Small Town (China)
Hen in the Wind (Japan)
Open City (Rossellini)
Moonrise (Borzage)
They Live By Night (USA)
Gun Crazy (USA)
The Big Sleep (USA)
The Scarlet Claw (USA; Sherlock Holmes)
The Fallen Idol (GB)
Force of Evil (USA)
Drunken Angel (Japan)
The Spiral Staircase (Siodmak)
Mildred Pierce (Curtiz)
Monsieur Verdoux (Chaplin)
The Postman Always Rings Twice (Garnett)
Miracle on 34th Street (USA)
La Quai des Orfeures (France)
The Woman in the Window (Lang)
Scarlet Street (Lang)
Torment (Sweden)
And Then There Were None (Clair)
La Terra Trema (Italy)
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (USA)
Spellbound (USA)
Five Women Around Utamaro (Japan)
The Killers (Siodmak)
The Pride of the Yankees (USA)
Bambi (USA)
White Heat (USA)
Stray Dog (Kurosawa)
Crows and Sparrows (China)
Adam’s Rib (USA)
Alias Nick Beal (USA)
Whisky Galore (GB)
Orphee (France)
The Heiress (USA)
Odd Man Out (GB)
The Stranger (USA)
Since You Went Away (USA)
The Yearling (USA)
Going My Way (USA)
The Little Foxes (USA)
Bitter Rice (Italy)
Wilson (USA)
Key Largo (USA)
The Song of Bernadette (USA)
Dead of Night (GB)
The Sea Hawk (USA)
The Bank Dick (USA)
Meet Me in St. Louis (USA)
All the King’s Men (USA)
These choices are NOT in order of preference and are all roughly on the same level.
Yet again this order shouldn’t be taken literally, I am listing 25 films, that’s all..
1)Bicycle Thief (de Sica)
2)Late Spring (Ozu)
3)Day of Wrath (Dreyer)
4)47 Ronin (Mizoguchi)
5)Open City (Rossellini)
6)Germany Year Zero (Rossellini)
7)Grapes of Wrath (Ford)
8)My Darling Clementine (Ford)
9)Fort Apache (Ford)
1o)Sanshiro Sugata (Kurosawa)
11)Drunken Angel (Kurosawa)
12)Stray Dog (Kurosawa)
13)Ivan the Terrible I (Eisenstein)
14)Odd Man Out (Carol Reed)
15)Citizen Kane (Welles)
16)A Canterbury Tale (Powell/Pressburger)
17)Heaven Can Wait (Lubitsch)
18)Treasure of the Sierre Madre (Huston)
19)Double Indemnity (Wilder)
20)Lost Weekend (Wilder)
21)Monsieur Verdoux (Chaplin)
22)Notorious (Hitchcock)
23)Foreign Correspondent (Hitchcock)
24)La Silence de la Mer (Melville)
25)Les Enfants du Paradis (Carne)
Here’s what my next 25 would be again in no order (and to be honest depending on the day of the week some of these works could change places with those on the first 25!)
26)Shoeshine (de Sica)
27)Hail the Conquering hero (Sturges)
28)Sullivan’s travels (Sturges)
29)Maltese Falcon (Huston)
30)Five Women around Utamaro (Mizoguchi)
31)Brothers and Sisters of the Toda Family (Ozu)
32)Saboteur (Hitchcock)
33)Stranger (Welles)
34)Red River (Hawks)
35)Brief encounter (Lean)
36)Five Graves to Cairo (Wilder)
37)Third Man (Reed)
38)Shop around the Corner (Lubitsch)
39)Scarlet Street (Lang)
40)Hen in the Wind (Ozu)
41)Record of a Tenement Gentleman
42)Women of the Night (Mizoguchi)
43)Loves of Sumako the Actress (Mizoguchi)
44)Flame of my Love (Mizoguchi)
45)Ox Bow Incident (Wellman)
46)Spellbound (Hitchcock)
47)Le Corbeau (Clouzot)
48)La Terra Trema (Visconti)
49)Fallen Idol (Reed)
50)Paisa (Rossellini)
God, guys, calling the de Sica The Bicycle Thief is an insult…it’s BICYCLE THIEVES…even Criterion recognised the American error.
I have to ask, too, what exactly is THIS IS BRITAIN, Sam, there’s no such film…
You know fulll well that I meant LISTEN TO BRITAIN.
Americans have been calling the De Sica THE BICYCLE THIEF for decades. Even the intellectuals on Sight and Sound had been calling it that. But of course anything Americans do is wrong.
Looks like I accidentally forgot MY DARLING CLEMENTINE. That is now added to my runners-up list, NOT in the top 25, which remains as is.
Quite right on the title.. I actually first typed it that way but then went along with US convention. It’s all convention anyway. Some films are known by their original language titles, some by rather mangled translations. Not only in the US.
Incidentally the 50s poll will be very tough! To carve out a 25 from that glorious era won’t be easy!
I should also make clear a certain principle of methodology. As I always say I find it impossible to rate films in descending order. I can probably make groups of films and give each a grade but can’t do more than this. Beyond this though I tend to keep more films of directors whose works I esteem more as a general matter. In other words good Hitchcock might make it over excellent Hawks. The bar for some is higher to my mind because a director like Hitchcock usually displays more artistry on a relatively average film (in various ways) than many other relatively good directors do even in excellent films. Much like average Shakespeare might still be better than the best Arthur Miller.
Ladri di Biciclette is the title, that translates as Bicycle Thieves. Sight & Sound UK (and let’s face it, Sight & Sound is a UK publication first and foremost) would do no such thing.
Not only did Criterion realise the error giving it the correct title, but even Leonard Maltin correctly changed the title in his Guide.
Just because idiots have been calling it by the wrong title for years does not make them any less idiots.
And Kaleem, yes, the 50s will be the worst of the lot. It took me a while to whittle down the top 25. Of course I had to do a top 50, but choosing the 25 that will count was hard.
Whether one calls it THE BICYCLE THIEF or BICYCLE THIEVES, that fact should hardly obscure the acknowlegement of the film as one of the classics of world cinema. I would personally find it far more worthwhile to discuss it’s pre-eminence in Italian neo-realism and its thematic essence. Truth is, both titles capture the fabric of what De Sica imparted to the film. Leonard Maltin? Well, I won’t even go there.
The 50’s does not match the 40’s remotely, but yet it’s greatest films match up with the greatest of any decade….i.e. Bresson, Bergman, Fellini, Hitchcock, Ford, and so on.
Actually in some ways the 50’s may be the greatest decade. It depends on what angle you are promoting here.
Kaleem, I fully understand where you are coming from here with the ‘descending order’ listing. However, I honestly feel it is possible to compose such a listing on those specs. I chose LATE SPRING as my #1, because I honestly feel it is the greatest film of that period. DAY OF WRATH is a close second. CITIZEN KANE is a close 3rd. And so on. It’s far from infallible or definitive, but based on one’s own value system, taste, and perceptions, such a numerical list is valid and most negotiable.
But it’s not as if this is the only example Allan. There are tons of films that are mistranslated. Kurosawa’s High and Low is literally Heaven and Hell in Japan for example. I mean we could draw up an entire list here.
Sam, I could probably do a top 5 or something as well. My problem is in deciding between #14 and #17!
True Kaleem, true.
Yes, I agree, Kaleem, titles are a problem, but Bicycle Thieves is a case where those in the know have realised the error.
ok guys, I’ll give it my best shot……
1 – Children of Paradise
2 – Day of Wrath
3 – Bicycle Thieves
4 – Hamlet
5 – The Magnificent Ambersons
6 – Fantasia
7 – Great Expectations
9 – Brief Encounter
10 – The Grapes of Wrath
11 – The Third MaN
12 – The Maltese Falcon
13 – To Be or Not To Be
14 – Late Spring
15 -Pinocchio
16 – Stray Dog
17 – My Darling Clementine
18 – Odd Man Out
19 – How Green Was My Valley
20 – The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
21 – The Lady Eve
22 – Shop Around the Corner
23 – Beauty and the Beast
24 – The Best Years of Our Lives
25 – Portrait of Jennie
Sam, I’ll get Sue to do one as well, but here’s mine:
1) Double Indemnity
2) The Third Man
3) The Maltese Falcon
4) Citizen Kane
5) It’s A Wonderful Life
6) The Grapes of Wrath
7) Casablanca
8) Late Spring
9) The Red Shoes
10) Brief Encounter
11) Fantasia
12) The Best Years of Our Lives
13) Day of Wrath
14) Bicycle Thieves
15) Yankee Doodle Dandy
16) The Lost Weekend
17) Children of Paradise
18) Beauty and the Beast
19) The Big Sleep
20) Henry V
21) Treasure of the Sierra Madre
22) The Philadelphia Story
23) Arsenic and Old Lace
24) Hail the Conqering Hero!
25) The Bank Dick
I am getting started on my list, but I am beginning to realise that the great/favorites trade-off is harder to manage than I thought…
Tony, you said it. It wasn’t easy and it’s not easy. The films I placed at the top of my list are masterpieces by any standard of measurement, but they are also films dear to my heart. The truth is that in the end, favorites will still rule, but perhaps a number of the voters will pare down those gulity pleasures that they may have had long connection to. If we accomplish that musch here I think we’ve done something.
And needless to say, I really look forward eagerly to your own list.
This is my list:
1. Bicycle Thieves (1948)
2. Open City (1945)
3. The Grapes of Wrath (1940)
4. Paisan (1946)
5. Citizen Kane (1941)
6. Casablanca (1942)
7. The Maltese Falcon (1941)
8. Les Enfants du Paradis (1945)
9. Thieves Highway (1949)
10. Out of the Past (1947)
11. Force of Evil (1948)
12. Body and Soul (1947)
13. The Third Man (1949)
14. The Set-Up (1949)
15. Stray Dog (1949)
16. Double Indemnity (1944)
17. Mildred Pierce (1945)
18. This Land is Mine (1943)
19. La Terra Trema (1947)
20. High Sierra (1941)
21. The Fugitive (1947)
22. How Green Was My Valley (1941)
23. Mrs Miniver (1942)
24. The Seventh Victim (1943)
25. DOA (1949)
PS: I feel that I should explain including How Green Was My Valley (1941) and Mrs Miniver (1942). It may surprise many, but I am a sentimentalist. As 40s cinema belonged to Hollywood, these movies are representative of the great pictures of the period with broad popular appeal and sincere sentiment – and both I am not ashamed to admit reduce me to tears.
Tony, while I admit I am a bit surprised of that revelation that you are a sentimentalist, I am alas, on the same page with you. I have a good friend who gushes at MRS. MINIVER, but that one doesn’t do nearly as much for me as HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY, which always opens up the floodgates.
Needless to say, fantastic list!
And same for both Frank and Peter. Peter, I like that smiley, saluting my #1 choice at your #8. Thank you sir.
Your list also unearthed a mistake on my own Tony. OUT OF THE PAST is a solid runner up for me, and comes close to making the 25. I inexplicably forgot to mention it at all.
Similarly for me I forgot Blimp. Would probably make my second tier here (26-50).
1 CASABLANCA (1943) MICHAEL CURTIZ
2 YANKEE DOODLE DANDY (1942) MICHAEL CURTIZ
3 KING’S ROW (1942) SAM WOOD
4 SINCE YOU WENT AWAY (1944) JOHN CROMWELL
5 GRAPES OF WRATH (1940) JOHN FORD
6 NOTORIOUS (1946) ALFRED HITCHCOCK
7 TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE (1949) JOHN HUSTON
8 CITIZEN KANE (1941) ORSON WELLES
9 ALL THE KING’S MEN (1949) ROBERT ROSSEN
10 PORTRAIT OF JENNIE (1948) WILLIAM DIETERLE
11 CHAMPION (1949) MARK ROBSON
12 IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946) FRANK CAPRA
13 WHITE HEAT (1949) RAOUL WALSH
14 MALTESE FALCON (1941) JOHN HUSTON
15 PRIDE OF THE YANKEES (1942) SAM WOOD
16 OX-BOW INCIDENT (1943) WILLIAM WELLMAN:
17 STRANGER (1946) ORSON WELLES
18 THE LODGER (1944) JOHN BRAHM
19 D.O.A. (1949) RUDOLPH MATE
20 DOUBLE INDEMNITY (1944) BILLY WILDER
21 MY DARLING CLEMENTINE (1946) JOHN FORD
22 THE SEA WOLF (1941) MICHAEL CURTIZ
23 THE ADVENTURES OF MARK TWAIN (1944) IRVING RAPPER
24 MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET (1947) GEORGE SEATON
25 THE MARK OF ZORRO (1940) ROUBEN MAMOULIAN
Allan
I made sure to include my favorite foreign films.
I noticed, several even made outside the confines of New Jersey. A wonderfully idiosyncratic and worthless list, old boy, I saulte you for your supreme xenophobia.
Perhaps I should ask Sam if I should disqualify myself from future polls since I do not pretend to have a vast knowledge of foreign films.
Nah, it makes it fun, Angelo, puts us snobs in check. Looking forward to seeing you again in a week.
No Angelo, your disqualification is not remotely realistic.
1.) Your list is excellent, regardless.
2.) Others will submit fine lists light on foreign-language cinema, even if the vast majority will not.
Kaleem, you forgot BLIMP, and I forgot ALL THAT MONEY CAN BUY. We’re even. LOL!
I told you to do it the proper way, your memory is not up to doung it off your head.
I did it the proper way. I scoured through all the films in your year-by-year survey at the right. I simply made the mistake of overlooking ALL THAT MONEY COULD BUY, because I know by it’s other title THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER.
I made re-do my lsit later today with that one revision. Truth is it belongs in the Top 25 or very close to it.
ok Sam, a bit late, but here it is……….
1 Les Enfants du Paradis
2 Citizen Kane
3 Day of Wrath
4 Sullivan’s Travels
5 Bicycle Thieves
6 All That Money Can Buy
7 Fantasia
8 Late Spring
9 The Grapes of Wrath
10 Kind Hearts and Cornets
11 The Third Man
12 Kings Row
13 Letter From an Unknown Woman
14 Laura
15 How Green Was My Valley
16 Pinocchio
17 The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
18 A Matter of Life and Death
19 Double Indemnity
20 The Shop Around the Corner
21 Great Expectations
22 Stray Dog
23 Beauty and the Beast
24 Ivan the Terrible Part 1
25 The Maltese Falson
My Top 25:
1 La Belle et la Bete
2 The Red Shoes
3 Meet Me in St. Louis
4 Rebecca
5 Bicycle Thieves
6 The Fallen Idol
7 Late Spring
8 How Green Was My Valley
9 Hamlet
10 The Little Foxes
11 The Snake Pit
12 The Song of Bernadette
13 Miracle on 34th Street
14 Mrs. Miniver
15 Mildred Pierce
16 Monsieur Verdoux
17 It’s A Wonderful Life
18 Children of Paradise
19 Dark Victory
20 Double Indemnity
21 Since You Went Away
22 The Grapes of Wrath
23 Portrait of Jennie
24 Brief Encounter
25 Scarlett Street
Well Allan, you call my list worthless and Sam calls it excellent so guess who I agree with. I respect ypur opinion however since we all have one. I for one condider any list that does not include Casablanca, bogus.
LOL Angelo.
And I consider any list without LATE SPRING bogus.
So where does that leave us?
But having said that, there are few lists that won’t have CASABLANCA, even if I have noticed the last two that were submitted did not, oddly.
Of course I was kidding about that LATE SPRING comment about bogus lists, and I hope you are kidding as well.
Sam would say any list is excellent, Angelo, he’s the eternal flatterer. You could put down 25 of the worst films of the forties and he’d compliment you on it. It’s why I pay no attention when Sam compliments me on anything…this is light-hearted, but true.
And I would counter-argue that Allan is the ultimate cynic, whose own bleak view of humanity doesn’t allow him to feel inner warmth when anyone says anything nice. Think Rod Steiger’s character in THE PAWNBROKER before the shattering conclusion.
That aside, Angelo’s list contains some of the very greatest films of the 40’s. It’s a distinguished list, regardless of the foreign-language omissions.
And sam is like that great line in Dangerous Liaisons, like Madame Merteuil I remind Sam that “one does not applaud the tenor for clearing his throat!”
Applaud mediocrity, then when real quality comes along, the same compliment is thus worthless.
Well, I for one am glad to see How Green Was My Valley and Mrs Miniver appear more than once 🙂 Of course Allan, will throw up his hands again.
And I will stick my neck out and say that anyone who doesn’t include Casablanca has no soul!
Interesting also is that so far Kurosawa’s Stray Dog has appeared in four lists. This is one of the great noirs and deserves a wider audience.
I watched Bride of Frankenstein last night, and was thinking we could mash-up a bit of Sam and a bit of Allan for a happy medium between Dr. Pangloss and Dr. Doom…
Alas, I’m not well versed enough in ’40s cinema to take part in voting. The fireworks, however, are enjoyable as always, and I look forward to the final list. Fight to the death, boys!
Allan, what is it that you consider “mediocrity?” And what kind of demented satisfaction could you possibly enjoy when you promote resistance in issuing compliments?
Tony: While I can’t be certain how MRS. MINIVER will do, I am fairly sure HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY will make a strong showing. As far as CASABLANCA, well I am equally certain it will place very high in the final tabulation, but I do agree with what you say.
LOL on that BRIDE OF FRANENSTEIN proposal!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Evan, your suggestion may indeed be taken up as “literal” the way this thread is going…….LOL!!!
While Allan (who by the way will be landing here on Saturday for a three way stay with the Juliano family) is relentless in his position against issuing compliments, he can’t possibly begin to understand how being nice and being supportive can help or encourage their writing. It’s high time you look beyond the surface and evaluate the entire picture.
No, I’m not against issuing compliments, Sam, old friend, just against issuing them willy nilly like confetti even if someone just shows up to the site to burp.
You are procurator of the site, therefore your word and your kind word should mean something and be worked for. When you compliment poor lists or say “fantastic point” to something not worth the statement you devalue your compliment to things that really deserve them, which there will be enough of anyway.
Furthermore, in complimenting such things, it gives the writer the feeling that they’re doing fine and have no reason to seek improvement. There’s a difference between complimenting them and pulling the wool over their eyes and making them feel a million dollars when it’s more like 20 cents. That way they have a fall to face up to when someone tells the truth. Truth or nothing at all is better than sycophantic (you hate the word, but it’s the only appropriate one) misdirection.
It’s like a teacher telling a student they’re brilliant, only for them to get an E in the exam. They thought they were doing well, in fact he was just making them feel better. If you ask that student what they thought of the kind words policy, they’d punch you in the face. They’d rather have a harder time in the classroom and get something for it than have it easy in the classroom and come out with sweet Football Association.
I’m not saying be cruel, just don’t be ridiculously kind – you’re putting a banana peel under their feet for the future.
Final thoughts to Ambrose Bierce, who defined FLATTER in his Devil’s Dictionary as…
To impress another with a sense of one’s own merit.
The bungler boasts of his excellence –
His hearers yawn and nod;
The artist flatters his audience –
They shout: “he is a God!”
I will continue to promote good will and offer support to anyone and everyone who contributes to this site and elesewhere. You have your style (heaven help us) and I have mine.
I will not change for you nor for anyone else. I do find the notion however, that anything I say is insincere as deeply disturbing.
I am amused by the way Mr. Fish speaks of everyone as if they all share his misguided beliefs. I call upon you, Allan Fish to speak for yourself and not others and to refrain from generalizing. I think you’ll find that few, if any people ascribe to your glum outlook on life. You know your stuff, and you write beautifully, but you are a hard edged man.
I would add to this thread, but I don’t want to be accused of being “prodded” into posting by Sam. (a contention I’m sure Mr. Fish will suggest) Still, I find this penchant for one to be an eternal optimist as a special gift. We have enough bad things in outr lives without adopting the dreary philosophy of Mr. Fish. That’s all I’ll say.
I apologise if I have upset anyone. Bad day all round. I’m just a miserable old sod at the end of the day.
Here is Susan’s list Sam:
1 How Green Was My Valley
2 Beauty and the Beast
3 It’s A Wonderful Life
4 Casablanca
5 Rebecca
6 Brief Encounter
7. The Third Man
8. Hamlet
9. Oliver Twist
10. The Grapes of Wrath
11. The Maltese Falcon
12. The Yearling
13. Citizen Kane
14. Bicycle Thieves
15. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
16. Going My Way
17. Notorious
18. Gaslight
19. Now, Voyager
20. Mrs. Miniver
21. Out of the Past
22. Pinocchio
23. Great Expectations
24. The Red Shoes
25. The Snake Pit
Louis Aveta’s list was dictated to me in person as he sat in my car in scenic Sussex County, New Jersey on Saturday as Lucille and Louie’s wife Mary and all the kids walked in the cold to find a suitable Christmas tree in a spacious grove. Louie and I opted to stay warm! LOL!!! It was fun to get Louie’s listing up front like this…..Sam
1. It’s A Wonderful Life
2. My Darling Clementine
3. Miracle on 34th Street
4. Casablanca
5. Bicycle Thieves
6. The Grapes of Wrath
7. White Heat
8. Citizen Kane
9. They Were Expendable
10. The Best Years of Our Lives
11. How Green Was My Valley
12. Fort Apache
13. Pinocchio
14. Sergeant York
15. The Pride of the Yankees
16. Rebecca
17. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
18. The Sea Hawk
19. The Maltese Falcon
20. La Bele et la Bete
21. She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
22. The Third Man
23. The Thief of Bagdad
24. Shoeshine
25. The Yearling
…….This wasn’t easy Sam. I looked at the sidebar choices (so many) and the other lists. I know there are so many that I had to give up on….I did my best……
1. The Third Man
2. To Be or Not To Be
3. Casablanca
4. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
5. Bicycle Thieves
6. Citizen Kane
7. Notorious
8. Out of the Past
9. Kings Row
10. Double Indemnity
11. The Shop Around the Corner
12. Late Spring
13. The Magnificent Ambersons
14. Les Enfants du Paradis
15. The Maltese Falcon
16. Unfaithfully Yours
17. Here Comes Mr. Jordan
18. The Killers
19. Force of Evil
20. The Grapes of Wrath
21. Ivan the Terrible I
22. The Body Snatcher
23. This Gun For Hire
24. Abe Lincoln in Illinois
25. Shadow of a Doubt
Here we are Sam, sent from a school PC during a Thursday morning prep!
1. Citizen Kane
2. Stray Dog
3. Open City
4. Double Indemnity
5. Drunken Angel
6. To Be or Not to be
7. Notorious
8. Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
9. Bicycle Thieves
10. Sullivan’s Travels
11. The Third Man
12. Casablanca
13. Treasure of the Sierra Madre
14. Grapes of Wrath
15. Enfants du Paradis
16. Best Years of Our Lives
17. It’s A Wonderful Life
18. The Letter
19. Shop Around the Corner
20. Out of the Past
21. A Double Life
22. The Maltese Falcon
23. The Bank Dick
24. La Silence de la Mer
25. Cat People
Henry Killat’s Top 25 listing:
1. The Grapes of Wrath
2. Casablanca
3. Day of Wrath
4. How Green Was My Valley
5. It’s A Wonderful Life
6. Bicycle Thieves
7. Citizen Kane
8. Open City
9. The Ox-Bow Incident
10. Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
11. The Maltese Falcon
12. Double Indemnity
13. Beauty and the Beast
14. Children of Paradise
15. Sgt. York
16. Meet Me in St. Louis
17. The Third Man
18. Portrait of Jennie
19. The Red Shoes
20. Oliver Twist
21. All That Money Can Buy
22. Mrs. Miniver
23. The Pride of the Yankees
24. Rebecca
25. Notorious
The “Dame’s” 😉 List: There isn’t one film that is considered a noir on my list!…Oops! my sarcasm like my petticoat under neath my denim dress is showing!
1.The Maltese Falcon….(Humphrey Bogart, but of course!) U.S., John Huston
2. Le Corbeau….France, Ooo..LaLa Messieur Henri-Georges Clouzet
3. The Lodger….U.S., John Brahm
4.The Window….U.S., Ted Tetzlaff
5.Ministry of Fear….U.S., Fritz Lang
6.Phantom Lady….U.S., Robert Siodmak
7. The Killers…. U.S., Robert Siodmak
8. The Naked City….U.S., Jules Dassin
9. This Gun For Hire….U.S., Frank Tuttle
10.The Glass Key….U.S., Theodore Heisler
11. Out of the Past….U.S., Jacques Tourneur
12. Casablanca….U.S., Micheal Curtiz
(I want to keep that 21 grams intact, right D’Ambra!)
13.D.O.A.….Rudolph Mate
14. I Wake Screaming U.S., Bruce Humberston…(Mature is presence as in Victor, but of course!)
15. The House on 92nd Street….U.S., Henry
Hathaway
16.Kiss of Death….U.S., Henry Hathaway…(See No# 14)
17. Ride The Pink Horse….U.S., actor Robert Montgomery
18. Dark Passage….U.S.,Delmer Davies
19. The Big Sleep….U.S., Howard Hawks.
20. Laura….U.S., Otto Preminger
21. The Big Steal….U.S., Don Siegel
22. The Third Man….U.S., Carol Reed
23. Double Indemnity….U.S., Billy Wilder
24. b>Gun Crazy….U.S., Joseph H. Lewis
25My Name is Julia Ross….U.S., Joseph H.
Lewis
Fantastic list Dark City Dame! And it’s beautifully-highlighted and set too. Sure, it’s noir-heavy, but so what? It will make up for those who give the genre short shrift. We are looking for proper representation from all the genres in this list.
As always, everything you do and everything you say DCD is exciting. I bet Tony will applaud this list too.
I’m looking for a film that isn’t connected to noir, but I feel it will be like searching for the square root of -1.
Hi Sam, just want to thank you for that delightful discussion we had at the store, and of this interesting project you are promoting. The 1940’s gave cinema some of its greatest motion pictures, and surveying them and listing them numerically is no easy task. As a Criterion collector, like you, I saw many films on DVD that I had not seen previously in a theatre.
I look forward to the outcome of this survey, and thanks for letting me cast a ballot.
1 – Out of the Past
2 – A Matter of Life and Death
3 – Late Spring
4 – Brief Encounter
5 – Pinocchio
6 – Shadow of a Doubt
7 – Beauty and the Beast
8 – The Thief of Bagdad
9 – The Third Man
10 – Open City
11 – Casablanca
12 – Henry V
13 – Citizen Kane
14 – Double Indemnity
15 – Bicycle Thieves
16 – The Grapes of Wrath
17 – Only Angels Have Wings
18 – Red River
19 – The Maltese Falcon
20 – It’s A Wonderful Life
21 – Children of Paradise
22 – Hamlet
23 – Alexander Nevsky Part 1
24 – Rebecca
25 – A Tree Grows in Brooklyn
Allan, Dark City Dame’s noir-laden listing is just what the doctor order as far as I’m concerned, as too many voters in these polls sometimes give this famed and celebrated genre the short end of the stick. There are adventure lovers, foreign film lovers, sentimentalists, lovers of the great American classic s and so on.
What DCD is doing here is to “even the score” and that’s exactly what we need to get closer to a definitive result, or at least almost that.
I love DCD’s list.
Furthermore Allan, as DCD and Tony know well, noir’s greatest decade was the 40’s.
Hence any list that is noir-heavy is most valid.
Bill Carroll, likewise I really had a great time discussing movies with you and of the 40’s polling. I would love if we could do it again for the 50’s in about 6 weeks or so. In any case, your list was superlative and I thank you for it!!!
Hi! Allan Fish,
Allan said, “I’m looking for a film that isn’t connected to noir, but I feel it will be like searching for the square root of -1.”
(laughter) haha!
Al-lan Fish, are you talking about my list or film noir in general?
I have a “funny feeling” it is the
former!…Are you stateside yet?…
Please! come here, I want to talk to you!….hmm
dcd 😉
DCD, I think Allan is attempting to make a funny comment about the fact that you have so many noirs. But you haven’t included a bad film in the bunch! Allan’s role in this world is as a self-annointed “devil’s advocate” and cynic.
But he’s also quite a brilliant guy as we all know.
Well well, DCD is sparking controversy again 🙂
My list has a certain noir bias, but it is a bit more balanced, and the top 5 are not noirs. Film noir is important, but we need to recognise in this context that a wider focus is necessary.
DCD knows me well enough not to take offence, but Ministry of Fear and The Big Steal are minor efforts in the noir canon.
While I am being honest, DCD, why do you keep calling me ‘D’Ambra’ and not ‘Tony’? It keeps reminding me of the jerk high school teachers who always called me only by my last name and uttered it only to chastise or ridicule me… so be kind and rewind.
“so be kind and rewind.”
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! An instant classic there Tony!
Tony said, “DCD knows me well enough not to take offence, but Ministry of Fear and The Big Steal are minor efforts in the noir canon.”
Oh Yeah!…I know some films just have elements
of noir. Which remind me, I must look for that list of elements that defines what constitute a film as noir.
Btw, I am sooo sorry!… I will never call you by last name again!…even if it mean you could win a million dollars…no make that a zillion dollars!….You are going to have to threaten me with “death” in order for me to call you _’_ _ _ _ and you win the money! 🙂 Of course! I am Just kidding! around with Allan and you Tony!…I like to kid around sometimes, but not too much!
dcd 😉
Hello Sam and Allan. I finally got my choices together for the 40’s poll.
1 Day of Wrath
2 King Hearts and Coronets
3 The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
4 The Third Man
5. The Grapes of Wrath
6. Out of the Past
7. Citizen Kane
8. Casablanca
9. Children of Paradise
10. Bicycle Thieves
11. Treasure of the Sierra Madre
12. Sullivans Travels
13. To be or not to be
14. Great Expectations
15. Double Indemnity
16. How Green Was My Valley
17. Rebecca
18. Shadow of a Doubt
19. Henry V
20. Notorious
21. The Body Snatcher
22. Fantasia
23. Late Spring
24. Beauty and the Beast
25. Black Narcissus
testing
Lucille’s list: 1) It’s A Wonderful Life, 2) Miracle on 34th Street 3) Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein 4) Meet Me in St. Louis 5)Casablanca 6)Bicycle Thieves 7) Treasure of the Sierra Madre 8) Citizen Kane 9) Arsenic and Old Lace 10) Pinocchio 11) Johnny Belinda 12) Yankee Doodle Dandy 13) The Grapes of Wrath 14) The Spiral Staircase 15) How Green Was My Valley 16) Easter Parade 17) Oliver Twist 18) Rebecca 19) A Tree Grows in Brooklyn 20) The Bells of St. Mary’s 21) Bambi 22) Spellbound 23) Great Expectations 24) Ghost and Mrs. Muir 25) The Yearling
1. Les Enfants du Paradis
2. The Third Man
3. The Grapes of Wrath
4. Shadow of a Doubt
5. Late Spring
6. Le Corbeau
7. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
8. Out of the Past
9. Day of Wrath
10. Only Angels Have Wings
11. Sullivans Travels
12. Rebecca
13. Casablanca
14. Open City
15. Bicycle Thieves
16. The Big Sleep
17. Citizen Kane
18. Laura
19. Henry V
20.Treasure of the Sierra Madre
21. To Be or Not To Be
22. Black Narcissus
23. The Killers
24. Beauty and the Beast
25. Notorious
David, excellent list – and no Double Indemnity LOL – but Only Angels was 1939. Angelo can push the others up one, but what’s your new 25.
Here’s my list Sam.
1 It’s A Wonderful Life
2 Bicycle Thieves
3 White Heat
4 The Grapes of Wrath
5 Shoeshine
6 Great Expectations
7 Casablanca
8 Citizen Kane
9 Double Indemnity
10.How Green Was My Valley
11 The Body Snatcher
12 Day of Wrath
13 The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
14 The Best Years of Our Lives
15 Rebecca
16 The Third Man
17. The Pride of the Yankees
18 Treasure of the Sierra Madre
19 Miracle on 34th Street
20 Wilson
21 The Lost Weekend
22 I Walked With A Zombie
23 The Bank Dick
24 The Sea Hawk
25 Yankee Doodle Dandy
Merry Christmas to you, Lucille and the kids Sam!
1 Kind Hearts and Coronets
2 Great Expectations
3 Letter From An Unknown Woman
4 The Grapes of Wrath
5 Bicycle Thieves
6 Day of Wrath
7 The Red Shoes
8 Beauty and the Beast
9 Citizen Kane
10 The Magnificent ambersons
11 Double Indemnity
12 Out of the Past
13 Sullivan’s Travels
14 The Third Man
15 Late Spring
16 Rebecca
17 Casablanca
18 The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
19 Notorious
20 Open City
21 Les enfants du Paradis
22 The Big Sleep
23 Oliver Twist
24 To Be or Not to be
25 My Darling Clementine
Is it too late to join in? Either way, for fun, here’s a list of my 25 favorites.
1. Brief Encounter (Lean)
2. The Red Shoes (Powell and Pressburger)
3. Late Spring (Ozu)
4. Citizen Kane (Welles)
5. His Girl Friday (Hawks)
6. The Children Are Watching Us (De Sica)
7. The Lady Eve (Sturges)
8. The Treasure of the Sierre Madre (Huston)
9. The Third Man (Reed)
10. Rome, Open City (Rossellini)
11. The Killers (Siodmak)
12. No Regrets For Our Youth (Kurosawa)
13. It’s a Wonderful Life (Capra)
14. Bicycle Thieves (De Sica)
15. Red River (Hawks)
16. Notorious (Hitchcock)
17. Laura (Preminger)
18. Heaven Can Wait (Lubitsch)
19. La Terra Trema (Visconti)
20. Thieves’ Highway (Dassin)
21. Key Largo (Huston)
22. Gaslight (Cukor)
23. Fantasia (prod: Disney)
24. Double Indemnity (Wilder)
25. I Walked with a Zombie (Tourneur)
Sam, here is my list:
1 Great Expectations
2 Bicycle Thieves
3 It’s A Wonderful Life
4 Citizen Kane
5 Treasure of the Sierra Madre
6 Beauty and the Beast
7 Double Indemnity
8 Kind Hearts and Coronets
9 Portrait of Jennie
10 The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
11 Les Enfants du Paridis
12 The Red Shoes
13 Casablanca
14 The Lost Weekend
15 How Green Was My Valley
16 Queen of Spades
17 The Grapes of Wrath
18 Sgt. York
19 The Magnificent Ambersons
20 Kings Row
21 A Tree Grows in Brooklyn
22 The Shop Around the Corner
23 The Third Man
24 A Matter of Life and Death
25 Dead of Night
Runners-Ups:
Yankee Doodle Dandy
Since You Went Away
Mildred Pierce
White Heat
Lifeboat
Shadow of a Doubt
Fantasia
Red River
Doug’s List:
1 Mildred Pierce
2 White Heat
3 The Pride of the Yankees
4 It’s A Wonderful Life
5 Lifeboat
6 The Maltese Falcon
7 Casablanca
8 The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
9 Sgt. York
10 The Sea Hawk
11 The Ox-Bow Incident
12 The Body Snatcher
13 All The King’s Men
14 The Big Sleep
15 Spellbound
16 Twelve O Clock High
17 Key Largo
18 Yankee Doodle Dandy
19 The Best Years of Our Lives
20 The Flying Leathernecks
21 Double Indemnity
22 Citizen Kane
23 Abe Lincoln in Illinois
24 Rebecca
25 The Grapes of Wrath
Greetings Sam!
Bill Riley here. This wasn’t easy, but it was a lot of fun. Your group really has super taste. Your own list was awesome. I can’t wait for the 50’s poll.
1 Day of Wrath
2 Brief Encounter
3 The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
4 Late Spring
5 Odd Man Out
6 The Red Shoes
7 It’s A Wonderful Life
8 Out of the Past
9 Double Indemnity
10 Great Expectations
11 Citizen Kane
12 The Grapes of Wrath
13 La belle et la bete
14 Bicycle Thieves
15 Henry V
16 Casablanca
17 Rebecca
18 The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
19 The Big Sleep
20 How Green Was My Valley
21 Fantasia
22 Enfants du Paradis
23 The Lady Eve
24 Notorious
25 Hamlet
In no particular order, from the top pantheon and with one film per director so as not to overload it with Wyler, Wilder, Welles, The Archers, Ford, Sturges, Lubitsch, Earling, DeSicaect..
1940
Gaslight (GB)
The Grapes of Wrath
The Shop Around the Corner
1941
All That Money Can Buy
Citizen Kane
1942
Casablanca
I Married A Witch
1943
The Miracle of Morgan’s Creek
1944
Double Indemnity
1945
Dead of Night (GB)
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn
1946
The Best Years of Our Lives
La Belle et la Bete (Fr)
Great Expectations (GB)
Green for Danger (GB)
It’s a Wonderful Life
Notorious
1947
Black Narcissus (GB)
The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
Out of the Past
1948
Bicycle Thieves (It)
The Fallen Idol (GB)
Hamlet (GB)
Letter from an Unknown Woman
The Naked City
Recap of top 25, sorry Angelo, it’s in reverse order as I listed them as per countdown.
25 La Belle et la Bête
24 Pinocchio
23 A Matter of Life and Death
22 My Darling Clementine
21 Kind Hearts and Coronets
20 Listen to Britain
19 Casablanca
18 Oliver Twist
17 Rebecca
16 Spring in a Small Town
15 Les Enfants du Paradis
14 Letter from an Unknown Woman
13 Bicycle Thieves
12 Ivan the Terrible Part One
11 It’s a Wonderful Life
10 The Magnificent Ambersons
9 The Cat Concerto
8 The Third Man
7 Late Spring
6 Day of Wrath
5 His Girl Friday
4 Citizen Kane
3 Out of the Past
2 Sullivan’s Travels
1 The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
No problem Allan.
I thought the deadline was tomorrow; but if not it’s still completed:
(J.R.)
1. The Shop Around the Corner
2. Treasure of the Sierra Madre
3. Notorious
4. The Third Man
5. The Grapes of Wrath
6. The Maltese Falcon
7. Citizen Kane
8. Bicycle Thieves
9. His Girl Friday
10. Black Narcissus
11. Great Expectations
12. Day of Wrath
13. How Green Was My Valley
14. Henry V
15 Rebecca
16. Casablanca
17. The Lost Weekend
18. It’s A Wonderful Life
19. Brief Encounter
20. Beauty and the Beast
21. Out of the Past
22. Double Indemnity
23. Hamlet
24. The Sea Hawk
25. Stray Dog
25 top movies of 1940-1949.
1 Rebecca
2 Brief Encounter
3 Meet Me in St. Louis
4 Hamlet
5 Black Narcissus
6 How Green Was My Valley
7 Notorious
8 The Little Foxes
9 Bicycle Thieves
10 Children of Paradise
11 Sullivan’s Travels
12 Casablanca
13 Great Expectations
14 It’s A Wonderful Life
15 Beauty and the Beast
16 Grapes of Wrath
17 Miracle on 34th Street
18 Shadow of a Doubt
19 Random Harvest
20 Kings Row
21 Late Spring
22 Going My Way
23 Mrs. Miniver
24 The Snake Pit
25 The Maltese Falcon